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13-08-2008, 07:37 PM
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#1 | | Tech Support Real Name: Lee
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| Telmicro Lavente in the news From reading else where on the internet it sounds pretty final on the ceasing of broadcasting this time.
There is also speculation on this being the first to go, with the other re broadcasters being shortly after
Several places have reported the Telmicro staff being led away in handcuffs, and a sign on their door from the Guardia civil. And the Guardia civil telling people finito
This is taken from another forum, giving more insight into whats happened Quote:
I only found out about this early this morning, since when I've been trying
to find out what's happened. The problem is that you can't rely on what you
read in forums (even this one) and the press to be accurate, no matter how
well intentioned.
Telmicro is off the air - that much is obvious. The big question is why?
It isn't as simple as it seems, and I think there's something else behind
it.
I have never liked the rebroadcasting services; my prejudice has often shown
in this group. Nevertheless, they are legal Spanish businesses paying their
taxes and broadcasting licences. When Telmicro were visited in May, it was
the Sky subscription channels they had to cease; at that time nobody
suggested they stop broadcasting the FTA channels, be they UK, Spanish or
German. That's what they have a licence for.
David posts about people being arrested for illegal broadcasts of pay
channels. I know one of these people (he wasn't arrested, but he had to stop).
These were very much "under the counter" operations - the perpetrators knew
they were acting illegally - and were stopped when discovered. That is a
world away from a company operating openly, erecting their transmission
masts with the necessary planning permission, advertising, paying taxes and
fees, being paid by direct debit etc. Nobody could say the rebroadcasters
have been operating clandestinely. A couple of rebroadcasters started
dabbling with broadcasting Digital +. They were very soon stopped.
The legal loophole under which Sky subscription channels were rebroadcast
was that it can't be fraud to broadcast something which your customers
cannot legitimately receive anyway.
I write the above as a statement of fact; the last paragraph is in the past
tense. What follows is a mixture of knowledge, speculation and some
questions.
The only rebroadcaster with which I have any sort of relationship is Swiss
Service of Javea. They are in the unusual position of having a legal local cable
system as well as the usual micromesh system. Last summer, I was told that
from 1st January this year, new laws were coming in which meant they may no
longer be able to offer Sky subscription channels - the loophole was being
closed. There was (and as far as I know, still is) no suggestion that this
would affect FTA channels.
January came and went, and nothing changed. In May, Telmicro, and Telmicro
only, were stopped from broadcasting Sky subscription channels. We
speculated that the other rebroadcasters would soon follow suit. It didn't
happen. Swiss Service and the others carried on as before.
Now Telmicro has been shut down. The others are still very much going (at
least the two in my area are; I can only assume the others south of Alicante
are). Whether they, too, will see intervention only time will tell, but
given what happened in May I'm not betting on it. If it were to happen for
FTA channels, it would be utter hypocrisy on the part of the Spanish, having
happily taken the money all these years.
My speculation is that Telmicro have somehow upset the authorities. Maybe
they have been erecting masts without permission. Maybe they haven't paid
their fees (over or even under the counter). Who knows? But there must be
more to it than we have been told for it only to have affected one company,
and then in the most serious way possible.
The action is to do with alleged fraud which has nothing to do with TV
rebroadcasting. It's much closer to home than that. That's why they, and
not the other broadcasters, are being targeted.
| There are also a lot of people saying that they have only recently payed for a whole years viewing up front
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts This was posted on another forum, I hope I can see the chafe from the wheat and it sounds in line with other things that have been posted. Quote:
Torresat have no problems, and have not been raided. Today they have finished installing the new transmitter above the office. So all should be fine now. Next week a transmitter goes up in Quesada.
Telimicro is the provider with all the problems, as I posted a couple of months ago it is all down to them not paying a 40000 euro tax bill. All the directors and there families are currently locked up.
As to Sky Sports etc, NO providers will be broadcasting them into the distant future. Sky has bought into Canal Digital here in Spain. Bars will be able to show the football matches if they pay 60 euros per match, as the Spanish bars have always had to do.
Torresat are doing a deal for 190 euros to change over to them, and have a good channel line up.
| Can you tell I'm bored with no TV 
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14-08-2008, 07:06 PM
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts Taken from Algorfa.co.uk Quote: | digital television signal Pirates Network dismantled The Civil Guard has dismantled a network based in the Vega Baja, accused of pirating digital television signals to resell at low prices to a wide customer base that stretched from Benidorm to Almeria.
Yesterday the Guardía detained 17 people who are reputed to be mostly British, but sources close to the raid indicated that the figure could increase as the investigation open.
During police searches to at least eleven homes, agents confiscated items valued at over one million euros and 500,000 euros in cash.
Investigations were launched four months ago by agents of the Judicial Police of the Guardia Civil of Torrevieja, Alicante, Novelda and Pilar de la Horadada.
According to the same sources, those arrested in Torrevieja and other localities of Vega Baja had created their own platform for distributing TV and radio signals between the entire British population. Under a semblance of legality, offering a service to their customers for around 20 euros a month.
The business was widespread throughout the province and the Andalusian coast so the number of affected is very high, indicated sources. The alleged fraudsters had great telecommunications knowledge of and were able to encode and decode signals from the satellite to market their service, to create their own digital platform.
The extensive network infrastructure offered a semblance of legality with which managed to capture their customers and gain significant economic benefits.
The complicated investigations have dragged on for months. Courtesy of Información.
(14.08.08) | It looks like they have translated the following press article into English Quote:
Desmantelada una red que pirateaba la señal de televisión digital para comercializar con ella PÉREZ GIL / S. E. La Guardia Civil ha desmantelado una red afincada en la Vega Baja acusada de piratear señales de televisión digital para revenderla a bajo precio a una amplia clientela que se extendía desde Benidorm hasta Almería. Los detenidos, mayoritariamente británicos, ascendían ayer a 17, aunque fuentes próximas a la operación señalaron que la cifra podía ir en aumento al seguir abiertas las pesquisas. Durante los registros practicados en, al menos, once viviendas, los agentes intervinieron material valorado en más de un millón de euros y 500.000 euros en efectivo.
Las investigaciones se iniciaron hace cuatro meses y en ellas han participado agentes de la Policía Judicial de la Guardia Civil de Torrevieja, Alicante, Novelda y Pilar de la Horadada. Según las mismas fuentes, los detenidos en Torrevieja y otras localidades de la Vega Baja habían creado su propia plataforma para distribuir la señal entre colonias enteras de ingleses. Bajo una apariencia de legalidad ofrecían este servicio a sus clientes por alrededor de 20 euros mensuales.
El negocio estaba muy extendido por toda la provincia y la costa andaluza por lo que el número de afectados es muy elevado, indicaron las fuentes. Los supuestos estafadores tenían grandes conocimientos de telecomunicaciones y eran capaces de codificar y descodificar señales procedentes del satélite para comercializar con este servicio, hasta el extremo de haber creado su propia plataforma digital. De esta forma, disponían de repetidores y vendían las tarjetas para que los usuarios pudieran visionar en sus hogares los canales de televisión de pago.
La amplia infraestructura de la red le ofrecía una apariencia de legalidad con la que lograban captar a sus clientes y obtener importantes beneficios económicos. Las complicadas investigaciones se han prolongado durante meses hasta dar sus frutos. |
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts The Round Town news states that the National Police have quoted that Telmicro has been closed because ' delito contra la propiedad intelectual'.......in other words copywrite infringement.
The enquiry has been going on for some months and I wonder if Telmicro were aware of this, certainly they knew from the fracas a few months ago that they were skating on thin ice and while I have much sympathy for the workers who are now unemployed, I have no sympathy for the bosses.
I read too, that the Spanish giant canal Plus has secured the rights to broadcast Sky Sports in Spain......................does this have anything to do with the Spanish authorities closing down those English 'providers'? |
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts For those of you who have not seen the Round Town News article, click below http://www.roundtownnews.co.uk/index...13100&Itemid=9
It is very informative about what has gone on at Telmicro Lavente this week
But we are still left in the dark about if Telmicro will resume broadcasts of any legal television stations in Spain.
Several questions and speculations that are circulating on the internet in forums such as this still remain unanswered.
Is this the start of a crack down on all similar providers
Will Telmicro start broadcasting again if they clean up their act
Was there any unpaid taxes as rumoured
Costa Blanca News have also done an article on them http://www.costablanca-news.com/news/newssouth.htm
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| Telmicro Lavente in the news You mean worse than this one
We are good here, by use of our mystic balls. We have tomorrows coast rider news article on Telmicro
As follows Quote: | Hope In Store For TV Telmicro Remains Optimistic - CoastRider Exclusive
Television screens up and down the Costa were blanked out following spectacular raids to a local television broadcaster’s offices last week.
Witnesses reported that it was like something out of a Hollywood action film as they saw units of the Guardia Civil and other police storm the industrial estate near to the Zoco Market where local company Telmicro Levante s.l. have one of their offices. Staff were taken outside in restraints according to reports while officers searched the premises, boxes and envelopes were taken from the building and later transferred into a van. Meanwhile the estate itself was cordoned off and visitors were only allowed in after supplying identification, and the reasons for their business, to officers manning the gates. The whole operation was a masterpiece of planning and coordination which apparently had been some time in the organising. Similar scenes but not so dramatic were repeated at other offices of Telmicro and associated companies.
The raid happened early last Tuesday morning and officers continued to search premises well into the day.
Officers were also present at the Sunshine FM studios, where the signal was interrupted for a few hours but reinstated later that day. Speaking to a source at the studios, we were told, “The police officers who were here at the studio took away some computer equipment belonging to Telmicro, but the raid had nothing at all to do with the radio station. It’s very much business as usual here.”
The great TV switch off started at around lunchtime and soon the telephone lines were red hot from anxious and confused customers wondering what was happening.
Telmicro premises were eventually taped off and secured with Guardia Civil green and white tape with notices posted on the doors saying that it was by order of the Courts in Torrevieja.
Initially there was no news as to what exactly the reasons for the raids were but reports in the Spanish press described the situation as being due to the pirating of broadcasted signals and their reselling. In addition, regional paper Información reported that officers had taken away cash to the value of €500,000 and equipment valued at a million euros from premises and homes of people involved in the company. A total of 17 people were reported as having been detained and were held overnight and into the following day with their cars still parked outside the premises near to the Zoco market. A steady stream of people visited the San Luis offices to read the notice on the office doors and to commiserate with each other over the loss of their television particularly as the Olympics are currently being screened.
The biggest question on everyone’s lips was “what should we do”. Should they try to change suppliers and if so, would their new suppliers be secure from being raided or should they wait to see what was going to happen with Telmicro. In what appeared to be damage limitation, some other suppliers removed certain channels from their listings and replaced them with alternatives until the situation becomes clear.
In the meantime, some viewers tried rival companies and others decided to sit it out rediscovering those older pleasures of reading books and talking to each other.
Local internet forums were flooded with rumour, comment and discussion about the whole issue of television on the Costa.
Friday’s edition of Spanish paper La Verdad carried the story that one of those arrested was an ex socialist councillor of Los Montesinos and an edil of the Mancomunidad of the Vega Baja which is a group responsible for the economic development of the region. Over the weekend there were further rumours emerging that those arrested had been released without charge and that Telmicro would be applying for the return of its equipment.
The provision of television channels to ex pats in the region has long been a source of confusion and cost to a long suffering clientele many of whom have been forced to change suppliers and equipment over the years at extra cost to themselves. According to readers’ opinions gleaned from the hundreds of calls we at the CoastRider have received, most customers would be more than happy to pay for a fully legal system that gave access to programmes in English covering the main areas such as sports, soaps and news.
Speaking exclusively to the CoastRider, a Telmicro source was very optimistic that the company would be back broadcasting very soon. We were also given the following statement:
“In light of the current reports on Telmicro Levante, we can confirm the following -
1. Telmicro Levante have all the relevant licenses and legal permits in order to broadcast. These legal documents were issued by the Ministry.
2. The closing of the broadcast has nothing to do with Telmicro Levante being prohibited to broadcast, however all the relevant technical material is being looked at, some of this material having been purchased in the United Kingdom.
3. Telmicro Levante will promise all its clients to be operational as soon as possible and ensuring the very best quality.
4. We know that there are other companies within this sector offering their services and we strongly recommend that you seek to see whether these companies have all the legal requirements in place in order to broadcast. I.e. boletin oficial del estado (official buletin from the state)
5. Due to the obvious upheaval caused to Telmicro Levante, on Monday 18th of august, the company visited the British Consulate to shed light on all the recent goings on and furnished them with all the legal documentation required here in Spain in order to broadcast to the British community, showing complete transparency.” Paul Mutter |
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee We are good here, by use of our mystic balls. We have tomorrows coast rider news article on Telmicro | and this week lottery numbers are......??? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee mystic balls | - get some cream
sorry - went into beavis and butthead mode then - all this telemirco stuff on all the forums i am on is just doing my nuts in......lol |
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts Pervert, you been watching tooo many of those freesat TV programs I keep hearing about
Pity they stopped that dire channel in the UK that used to do topless darts and the news girl that would strip off.
I ended up watching the news on another channel after watching it six times a night on there and never fully hearing the news
The internet is in meltdown tonight with a lot of people either online or using the sharing web sites
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Originally Posted by Lee Pervert, you been watching tooo many of those freesat TV programs I keep hearing about  | dont know what you are on about Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Pity they stopped that dire channel in the UK that used to do topless darts and the news girl that would strip off. | Ah Yes. Live TV - with news bunny, bouncing dwarf weather, the weather in norweigian, topless darts, topless darts on ice, topless darts on the moon.....they did it first well before naked news made an appearance - (unfortunate choice of wording there i think....)
i saw it on birmingham cable...and it made an appearance on satellite a few years ago...with quality programming like above you wonder why it isnt on now.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee The internet is in meltdown tonight with a lot of people either online or using the sharing web sites | Lets ease the strain on the net - this weeks x factor - nothing new....apart from sharron osbourne looks better this year...
ps i dont and never have watched it - no really, honestly!!! |
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| Re: Telmicro Levante television broadcasts Hi everyone, I have watching this thread with interest and thought I should join and add my thoughts for what its worth. The telmicro situation is a poor one, but having come from working in the tv in the uk for many years, I could see that rebroadcasting is a tricky one unless you have permission from say the bbc or itv to do so, let alone showing sky!
I also was/am a telmicro customer and thought for what I paid it was good enough however since the big turnoff I have purchased and installed a big dish and can now watch what I want without getting turned off. Believe it or not if you are in the torrevieja area you can watch FTA and sky all from a 1.3 dish, we are actually using a 1.4 dish as the shop had no 1.3m but it has to be said the bigger the dish the better, the 1.4m is working great
Also I saw a comment about Live tv, I used to freelance there and its true to say some very strange things went on there, being in the studio watching the girl explaining the weather while topless was difficult to keep a straight face!!!!! |
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